Topic: Paralellinterpretations: Pianoteq historic Keyboards-Bechstein digital

Hi I am all new in this community as I  am with Pianoteq. The rioch collection of historic pianos found my interest so I tried to do a "little" experiment to record paralellinterpretations of pieces from the classica standardrepertoire with a pianoteq historic instrument from the epoque of the composer and another version with the Bechstein-digital Bechstein D 282 Samples.

Let us start with Beethovens Appassionata op.57 here you can find the Pianoteq version of course with
L.v.Beethoven Sonate op.57 Appassionata
(You can find the Link to the paralellinterpretation on that page below the player. ( I am currently a bit to lazy to post it here again wink )
I hope you like it and I am of course quite curious what you might think about....


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Oops there was a "h" to much in "http" here is the correct Link:
L.v.Beethoven Sonate op.57 Appassionata
(Is there in this Forum any chnce to edit a posting since I do make awful much mistakes I often need to correct later?)


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Hi fahl ... I really enjoyed listening to your performance.  Please post a few details ... which preset used, any minor adjustments if any, what type of keyboard were you using.



P.S.  I learned a new word:  "epoque"  ... that is: time / period.  How lovely.


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nice rendering!  though of course our Pianoteq Broadwood (1796, english action), while admirably suited for the likes of Cramer, Dussek, or perhaps Haydn, is not really the best choice for Op. 57 (1804-6, clearly written for a beefier instrument with viennese action)... if only we had a version of LvB's 1803 Erard to cover these great middle-period works or, better yet, one of N. Streicher's instruments from this time!  (see for instance "Beethoven's Erard piano: its influence on his compositions and on Viennese fortepiano building", Tilman Skowroneck, Early Music, Volume XXX, Issue 4, 1 November 2002, Pages 523–539 ==> http://www86.zippyshare.com/v/kEqyS8pA/file.html; and for further interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnL9PIMH1nk).  i had taken a stab at doing an fxp of the 1803 Erard based on the 1796 Broadwood, but am not really convinced by it ==> http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/8wc2ry1d what we really need is for the good folk at Modartt to do the job right... perhaps an instrument pack devoted to B's middle-to-late period instruments?  wink big_smile
here however is another comparison of Beethoven on modern instruments vs des instruments d'epoque (isn't that how Badura-Skoda labeled his recordings?) using pianoteq 5.0 in which i too shamelessly use the Broadwood as a stand-in... it's clearly closer in sonority and responsiveness to articulations than a modern instrument, but still not quite right for the repertoire we're putting on it:  http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic … 84#p943584
and comparison with a little Chopin as well (using the Pleyel): http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic … 41#p943541

edit: updated the fxp, & ps: it should ideally use the "small wooden room" IR waveform (simulating cabinet resonance).  smile

Last edited by DaveyJones (14-01-2018 06:23)
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Re: Paralellinterpretations: Pianoteq historic Keyboards-Bechstein digital

Hi LTTec thank you for your friendly comment on my little experiment with a pianoteq instrument.
You asked for my settings I only changed something in the effect section to get a concerthall acoustic. I chose the medium hall but even tried to reduce the reverb a bit. My Midikeyboard is a Yamaha P 80 which I bought years ago, but today I do work exclusivly with detailed midi-editing, which seem to fit imho much better to use the possible very high precision the digital instruments provide.

Hi Dave thank you for your interesting and inspiring remarks.
Isn't it kind of a general Problem of Beethoven, that his musical imagination often enough seem to be meant for instruments of his future more than fo the instruments he really has had. In so far it might be perhaps instructive to understand howw much Beethovens music goes beyond what his own instruments are ready for and inspired that way the development of musical instruments in the following years.  However it would be great if the collection of historic instruments will continue to grow. And Beethovens Erard would be of course a nice addition for the middle and late period pianomusic.

However here is another a bit later experiment which might fit a bit more:
Schubert Sonate a-moll D845 (Graf-Pianoforte 1826)

Schubert Sonate Bb-Dur D960 (Graf-Pianoforte 1826)
(again you will find links to parallelinterpretations with a bechstein-digital.)
I hope you like it.


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OK let's continue with some romantic virtuose "Fantasies" on Mozarts "La ci  darem la mano"
I hve done
- Friedrich Kalkbrenners: Fantasie sur la ci darem la mano op.33 with the Pleyel (1835) (Kalkbrenner is the one whom Chopin dedicated his first Pianoconcerto op.11)
- Sigismund Thalberg: Fantasy and Variation on two motifs of the Don Juan op.14 with the Besendorfer 1829)
- Franz Liszt Réminiscences de Don Juan in two versions.
a) Liszt: Don-Juan-Fantasy with Ossia with the Erard 1849
b) Liszt: Don-Juan-Fantasy without Ossia with the Erard 1849
(You will find Links to the Parallelinterpretations in the sound of a modern Bechstein under the player of each above mentioned and linked Pianoteq recording.)

You can find all recordings of my recent "La ci darem la mano"-Project including the original Duet and most of the other compositions based on that duet here http://klassik-resampled.de/lacidarem
I hope you have some fun with that as brilliant as inspired romantic pianomusic in the sound of Pianoteq period-grandpianos.


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I enjoyed these, thanks!

3/2 = 5


Re: Paralellinterpretations: Pianoteq historic Keyboards-Bechstein digital

That Pleyel (1835) is quite nice.  It would be interesting to have the same file played on the 1922 Pleyel.