Which Headphones for Pianoteq5/6 ?

Any headphones will do that are not crap. BeyerDynamic DT-880 250 Ohm here.

Now that's the most sensible headphone advice I've seen for a long time.

Greg.

OK, thanks for the feedback everybody !

i´ll continue then beening happy with my 30€ Headphones for playing Pinaoteq
beacuse i am ...........just that i allways thought i should buy me some real Headphones and never had the money

There are certainly large differences in tone between different models & makes of headphones.  My compact fold-up Senheisser PX100-II sound rather muffled compared to my much more expensive AKG K601 headphones.  However, I am sure that there are many cheap headphones that would sound closer in tone to my AKGs than these particular Sennheisers, and also, even though one would EXPECT the more expensive headphones to be more accurate, it's hard to be really certain of that.

Greg.

No need for those who use RME audio interfaces.

Does anyone know good website(s) for headphone reviews and tests ?

It's hard for non-experts to find reliable review sites.

"Headphones that transmits vibrations by bones ?

See in 5:54       

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0R0Xr0e-uk

Glasses that could deliver "SOUNDS"  by soundless vibratiopns near a skull bonés, and these vibration on the boné would be interpreted as sound.  Not sure about the quality of the "hearing" that would be perceived.

Everyones have self perception of our own voice sound that is a combination of sounds received from the air, captured by ears, and a sound transmited by bonés, the vibrations we produce in our cranium when we speak.

What about AKG K511 and AKG K404 ?

It's affordable (specially K404), and so it's suspect.
Reviews tends to give good rating, but I don't trusty in reviews anylonger.

Well, what I notice in some affordable headphones from good brands, is that they can usually sound nearlly acceptable to listen music in general (or almost), but sound quite bad, specially in the bass, for piano solo.  Piano solo Works unmasking all the crapness of headphones. Sad true...

I honestly doubt I will ever find a headphone that sound like we where listening to a piano. They all tends to add closed sensation, muffed sensation, "oingo-boing" trebble.

For the very high price of this model... it have to be good.
Not that the good, between the best models, necessarily would mean good enough to get a true natural feeling.

What about creat databank of equalizer curves ofr pianoteq, in reference to a lot of headphones models. Most headphones have not a flat response.

A good piano emulation sounds fantastic to me with headphones - very much like how I remember it sounding to play my upright (decades ago - I don't play real pianos now). I know it's never going to be AS GOOD, but I'm very satisfied if it just sounds as good as a good recording.

Greg

With Pianoteq 6 there does not seem to be any limit on the quality gain brought with better headphones. (The quality of the headphones matters much more than that of the DAC even at less than 100 €). Tested personally with the models Sennheiser HD650, HD800, Audez LCD-3, Stax sr007 mk2 (with RKV MARK 2), I finally use the combination DAC behringer u-phoria UMC204HD + headphones Kennerton Odin).

For a long time, I used on my synthesizer Yahama motif XF8 a Sennheiser HD650 which remains a very good headphoe (although I now find the piano "natural" XF8 very mediocre since the discovery of pianoteq)

By asking an amateur pianist who plays every day several hours on a real Bosendorfer of 2m of 1983 to compare a few chords recorded on his instrument with a zoom H2 of 4 years and the same agreements under standard Pianoteq 6 (trial) with the fxp "Bosendorfer imperial" pianoteq 5 by Bluethner, the pianist found the Pianoteq 6 version almost more pleasant and clearer than the recording of the real piano, although harmonics a little less rich.
The only real problem for an amateur pianist remaining fingers wrists and arms ...

I am away from home, with my Beyerdynamic DT880 32 ohm earphones - playing at home with monitor speakers most of the time, I forgot how good Pianoteq sounds on decent headphones.  Presets that I find at home which are thin or have poor stereo imaging sound pretty darn wonderful through these headphones (and I'm sure that they would sound better if I had the 250 ohm headphones, but then I'd have to worry about having an amp with me whenever I'm using the headphones for my iPod, phone, computer, etc.).

OK, let's say I have high impedance headphones. I'm running Pianoteq out of a Xenyx Q802USB. The headphone output goes really loud. Why do I need a headphone amp besides?

Specs say this about headphone output: +21dBu / 150 Ohms (+21dBm). I don't know what this gibberish means!

That means your Phones Output can provide max. 8.7 Veff (=21dBu) when a HP with 150 Ohm is connected. The output-impedance is not specified in the Behringer Xenyx manual, could be anything.

How high is the impedance of your headphones, beakybird?

@bebop603
I have problems with that Apogee "gibberish": Constant Current Drive™
They want to "compensates for the nonlinearities – acoustic, mechanical or electrical" [1]

Acoustic?!?

Maybe it is just marketing speech to say it has near zero output impedance (but I don't know) with a little magic. Have you heard that little soap bar with pianoteq?

[1] http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/groove

Re high impedance phones sounding better - I have seen it stated that all other things being equal, high impedance phones may sound superior because the voice coil has a lower mass, and is therefore easier to control - less "bouncing around" due to the inertia of the coil.

I think there is something in the current amp thing - it's not all snake oil. However, it can also cause a different problem, as described here:  https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/c...rent-drive

Greg.