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Topic: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

Wireless Bluetooth MIDI in the new Kawai ES110. Will be shown at NAMM, but Sweetwater says it's already in stock. So the day may be here when we can put the keyboard anywhere on stage or in a room without having to worry about MIDI cables? And it will be great for playing tricks, from backstage, on keyboard playing friends:


http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthre...745/1.html

(At least I'm hoping that Kawai wouldn't roll this out unless the wireless MIDI was finally working. Remember the announcements from Yamaha about the new wireless MIDI transmitters and receivers? Excitement, and then little seemed to happen. I guess we'll have to wait and see if this version from Kawai works out.)

EDIT: And I see that the recent Roland FP-30 also has Bluetooth wireless MIDI. Hmm. I've been out of the loop when it comes to recent keyboard releases, it appears.

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

AFAIK Bluetooth MIDI does have some additional latency compared to regular DIN MIDI (no wonder, it's a packet-based communications protocol like USB, except MUCH slower, there HAS to be some latency as opposed to serial comm like MIDI)... I wouldn't use it for critical applications, ever.

http://music.stackexchange.com/question...di-latency
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-c...ement.html

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

I agree with EvilDragon in principle. Never tried the device but I remain very skeptical on basic physics and engineering grounds.

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

I own the Quicco Sound mi.1 Wireless Midi Adapter for my Kawai Digital Piano but normally I don't use them because they add a little latency to the signal.

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

Using bluetooth midi on my fp30 the latency is bothersome. Not an issue when I use the USB port.

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

tigerk wrote:

Using bluetooth midi on my fp30 the latency is bothersome. Not an issue when I use the USB port.

That's a shame. I was hoping that the latency problem had been solved.

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It can't be due to very nature of how Bluetooth works.

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

EvilDragon wrote:

It can't be due to very nature of how Bluetooth works.

Is Bluetooth simply too slow? Does it have to gather the bits into packets before sending the signal up the wires to the device's MIDI In plug?

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Re: Wireless MIDI in new Kawai keyboard

Yup, it's a packet-based protocol, not unlike USB. But USB is much faster.

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