pianoteq vs ivory vs akoustic piano, etc

my experience with sample based software is the abilitiy to express yourself (with the velocity) this is why I chose pianoteq smooth transition . I own plenty of sample based pianos not Ivory. but when I listen to these pianos they sound good for certain styles and others not. Pianoteq may have a couple of short comings (not major) . but the ablitiy to express yourself out weighs all. For the first time I dont feel the need to purchase anymore piano programs just wait for the upgrades with pianoteq . each upgrade pushes pianoteq to the top

well done pianoteq passion for playing at last

one other thing if you do like the sound of a sample piano just overlay pianoteq with it and wow yourself

I think the best way to look at this question is to take the piano that sounds best to your ears.      Personally I like the way that Pianoteq feels from a playing perspective.  It feels very expressive, it has a variety of subtle playing characteristics that you can't get in sampled pianos.     A real piano never sounds quite as clean as a sampled piano.    There is always a rich and complex interplay of string and sound board resonance.       Pianoteq is the only software that will allow you to mix in those features to your taste.   You can get a really clean sounding "perfect" piano and you can also get a piano with subtle tuning differences and sloppy resonance.    So, from a producer/recorder perspective, it is a very valuable tool.     You must be able to tweak your pianos to taste for a particular recording.    Abbey Road studios is a studio famous for recording "less than perfect" sounding pianos in order to get that organic feeling.    If you listen to a Sarah Maclaughlin album you often hear upright pianos with less than perfect tunings.        Pianoteq is the only software that can give you a perfect piano AND a piano that has that "old-basement-jam-session" feel.

If you don't have the luxury of having several grands and uprights that you can mic to taste, get Pianoteq.         If you are really interested in doing some homework.  Go to http://www.solopianoradio.com/     Listen to some real pianos and then listen to pianoteq along side.

I've noticed that Pianoteq has a tendency to sound dull and synthetic when used in a mix with other instruments. I've tested this several times with various types of production. Somehow the subtle characteristics like sympathic resonance and hammer noise get lost in the music and you're left with a sound that's... for lack of a better word... plastic-y. Boosting the highs with a combination of EQ and hammer hardness emphasizes the artificial character even more.

When soloed, I prefer Pianoteq over the competition, but I'm having trouble getting a realistic pianosound in a mix. I think that by creating presets that focus on more cutting/compressed sounds (think Bruce Hornsby/Jamiroquai/Gavin DeGraw/Vanessa Carlton) Pianoteq would win over musicians that still go for the gigabyte-hungry competitors.

Another idea is to give users the option of miking the virtual piano with different virtual microphones (transducers, PZM-mikes, Ribbon mikes, etc.) with the option to move mikes around.

sincerely; cinnamon

its not all that hard just use the basic sound of the sampled library with its vst (or what ever you use) open pianoteq adjust the volumes and eq and vel on pianoteq to sit on top of the sampled piano . the tricky part is the mix you need to hear the sampled libraries body. I would leave the sampled library in it raw form since it is limited on control also experiment with the presets on pianoteq. Also try adding reverb or IR on the sampled piano and keep pianoteq dry

enjoy

go to FXP corner download the Modern bright studio grand you'll find this preset works great in a mix

Enjoy, And Your Welcome

Hi there. I had to launch a google search too.
It's from here: http://www.pianoteq.com/fxpcorner
When I load it via the load instrument function under the 'file' button in a virtual instrument inside Steinberg V-STack, it only seems to load some settings, but not a whole instrument.

I think  I am supposed to load a jazz grand piano, for example, and then load these settings via the 'file' button.

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However, this morning, my ears have much adapted to the pianoteq sound and I am not so convinced as I was yesterday.
Especially with headphones -- I use a Sennheiser HD 595 -- you do not get that impressed after a while.

Of course, the composition of a sound is like the composition of a perfume:
It must be suggestive and stimulating, an illusion that is verging on perfection.
Of course, perfection is never to be found, even in good acoustic instruments.

What usually happens, when I listen to speakers, is that a virtual or sampled piano is beginning to sound like an organ or another wind instrument, like a flute.
It has mostly something to do with the beahviour of the speaker membrane, I guess.
The  best solution would then be to invent special speakers for virtual piano music.
I have seen on the KAWAI digital piano site that they are experimenting with real wooden soundboards to spread the sound of a specially designed set of speakers in the room. This gives a more natural sound. Unfortunately, there's nothing on the market for somebody who does not want a KAWAI intrument ( http://www.kawai.de/ca91_en.htm , Quote: "The first Digital Piano with a real wooden spruce sound board. The CA91 Concert Artist features Kawai’s revolutionary Sound Board Speaker System.").

So I am fiddling with pianoteq to get away from this annoying organ-like sound, which also occured at some stage with Ivory. Organ-like, or a sensation, as if you were listening to an engaged 4-foot register in a concert harpsichord (coupling the higher octave to every string). I suspect, something is getting weird with the overtone system.

Feature request 1: Overtone System:
Instead of letting the users adjust everything -- they should be able to choose, if they wish so, though -- the users should get different models of overtone systems naturally occuring in known pianos and historical fortepianos.

One trick is, to work on a good hammer-noise and the hammer brightness (voicing).
This can divert the ear from the organ-like sound. This may be only part of the story.

In short: I am not yet there and I suppose pianoteq or any virtual piano is not yet there either. I agree, pianoteq is quite something. What will follow is to take into account the whole stereo sound system, including speakers.

Feature request 2: Sound-Systems and especially speakers:
I would like to see a separate panel for optimal tuning to any given speaker system and a list of good speakers with their limitations listed. Maybe, sellers really must experiment with wooden soundboard membranes, if we want a realistic piano sound, following KAWAI's example.

The pianoteq developers have realized that many things depend on what kind of speakers you use: headphones or stereo speakers can be selected from the menu by clicking on the speaker or headphone icon.

http://www.pianoteq.com/fxpcorner

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modern bright studio grand