Topic: Found this little free reverb - really nice!

I decided to roll up my sleeves and get a better reverb for Pianoteq. I found this little beauty:
http://revolverb.hostrocket.com/

It's a zero-latency convolution reverb, and it's working fine on my P4 2.4GHz machine.  So far I've found one problem with it though - the "wet" setting seems far too sensitive, and I sometimes have to have it way down at 1%. (I've emailed the author)

There are lots of free impulse responses out there too.

I realise that many here will already have good quality reverbs in their host software, but I'm just a simpleton playing Pianoteq in the Chainer host, and needed a better reverb than Pianoteq's inbuilt one.

Greg.

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My email bounced.
Also, it appears to be VERY old.

Greg.

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I was reading about convolution reverbs and Altiverb in particular yesterday. Altiverb looks (and sounds) fantastic but is very expensive. So I was very excited to see your post, unfortunately it's Windows only (I'm Mac) and Intel only (no AMD support) and as you say VERY old (Windows 98!) Pity, still if it runs on your hardware/OS and sounds good why not use it!

Alternatively why not try Ambience which is an excellent donationware reverb.

Youu can find it here:  http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/

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Re: commercial convolution reverbs,  there are cheaper ones than Altiverb, although I read somewhere that with Altiverb you are paying for the comprehensive impulse response library as well. 

Yes, I have tried Ambience, but wasn't *all* that impressed. 
Out of the non-convolution free reverbs that I've tried so far, the one that I like the most is GlaceVerb:
http://www.dasample.com/index.php?show=glaceverb
but after convolution I don't think I can accept anything less.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised that my system is even capable of real time zero-latency convolution.

EDIT: Here's another free convolution package: http://freeverb3.sourceforge.net/  There is a VST plugin which supports both Intel and AMD  (no Mac), but I couldn't get it to work in my VST host (Chainer) - might try another host later.

Greg.

Last edited by skip (09-02-2009 12:42)

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Thanks for those links unfortunately neither are available for Mac. Seems like Ambience is my best bet for now.

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In RevolVerb, I've noticed that some impulse responses don't sound too loud - the wet control can be much higher with the mix sounding ok.  Looking at one of the "good" impulse responses, it has a much lower signal level (circa -20dB), and it's also encoded with 24 bits.

So, I thought I'd try and "fix" one of the bad impulse responses. I converted it to 24 bits first (to retain resolution), and then normalised to -20dB.  This did fix the level problem, however when I listened VERY closely, I could hear a difference.  The specific impulse response I'm testing with at the moment is this one: http://www.impulseresponse.org/Real%20S...hurch2.zip  (the Chicago 2 Micset 1 recording). Using the original, and playing middle G (S Erard, but it probably doesn't matter), I hear a very sharp resonance which occurs about half a second after playing the note. Using the modified version of the impulse response, this resonance doesn't sound anywhere near as sharp - it's sort of "smeared".  So, I've decided that "fixing" the impulses in this manner just doesn't work - I don't think RevolVerb uses enough of the bits in the higher resolution impulse response.

I loaded this same I.R into two commercial products, and this sharp resonance was present equally in both.  I then loaded my modified I.R into the commercial products, and it sounded identical, so I didn't do anything wrong when I processed it.

I think RevolVerb is probably working ok with 16-bit impulse responses that have a high signal amplitude (except for the level problem). I do NOT think it's working 100% for high resolution recordings where the impulse response has not been amplified/normalised to a high signal level. 

Greg.
p.s I think I'll end up buying a convolution reverb.

Last edited by skip (09-02-2009 14:45)

Re: Found this little free reverb - really nice!

SIR is the most reasonably priced convolution reverb I've found you can find it here  http://www.knufinke.de/sir/sir2.html you can download version 1 for Windows free, version 2 Windows and OSX is $189 or €125 +VAT

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Thanks for the Freeverb3 link. I think I'll try it. I can't use RevolVerb being on AMD. I am actually using (and liking) an older Directx plugin (not free) Timeworks Reverb 4080L : http://www.sonictimeworks.com/products.php

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For those concerned about quality and cost, Kjaerhus is reputed to be one of the best available.

Click on PRODUCTS / Classic Series, and scroll down to Classic Reverbs and then DOWNLOAD.

Some are free, the others are available on a trial basis.

http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/


Glenn

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Re: Found this little free reverb - really nice!

I've tried Classic Reverb too.  Still not all that impressed.   I have some impulse responses from an old reverb unit from many years ago, and when I load them into a convoluting reverb, it's miles better than Classic Reverb, or any other of these reverbs that I've tried for that matter.  This hardware reverb that I'm comparing with wasn't anything all that special - it's the Alesis Microverb, which was dirt cheap.  The reverb in my digital piano is also very nice, and I'm sure it's not a fancy convoluter.

I still haven't found a VST plugin that does NOT use convolution, but sounds very good.  I'm sure they're out there but I just haven't found one yet.

Greg.

Last edited by skip (10-02-2009 02:01)

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skip wrote:

I still haven't found a VST plugin that does NOT use convolution, but sounds very good.  I'm sure they're out there but I just haven't found one yet.

Greg.

You Could try BREVERB from Overloud. (No convolution)

http://www.overloud.com/

Heinke

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or this one, called "epicVerb", really nice:

http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/200...b/#more-10

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Thanks again. Looks like I need a dongle to try BREVERB so I haven't tried it yet.

epicVerb sounds *excellent*, except for one little problem: I can hear a bit of hiss. (maybe it's quantisation noise) I'm using headphones which have a reputation for emphasising highs though.

Note that as good as epicVerb is, it still doesn't have what sounds like distinct "echoes", like some reverbs do. (my impulses for the Alesis hardware unit have these subtle echoes, which I really like) That said, I think epicVerb will do nicely.

Greg.

Last edited by skip (10-02-2009 13:19)

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skip wrote:

I still haven't found a VST plugin that does NOT use convolution, but sounds very good.  I'm sure they're out there but I just haven't found one yet.

i can't afford either of them at the moment, but these two packages seem to have a very good reputation amongst algorithmic (not convolution) reverbs:

http://www.artsacoustic.com/index.html

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/csr/features/

also, as far as i can tell from the KVR forum, the Ambience guy hasn't been around for a while...

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From the demos epicVerb sounds a lot like my Timeworks reverb. Unfortunately it also seems not to be AMD friendly  : http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/200...n-support/

I guess this is the price to pay for SSE assembly level optimisations.

What may be perceived as hiss in demo 1 is in my opinion the tail of a long reverberation containing very high frequencies. I hear it too if I use very long reverberations with my unit.

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http://www.knufinke.de/sir/sir2.html#download

this is an excellent convolution reverb as someone else has already mentioned

one of it's IRs is a 'piano room'. the piano room is true stereo and should be of particular interest to pianoteq players / recorders.

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fishmonkey wrote:

i can't afford either of them at the moment, but these two packages seem to have a very good reputation amongst algorithmic (not convolution) reverbs:

http://www.artsacoustic.com/index.html

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/csr/features/

Thanks - both sound very nice! After a quick auditon only (without learning how to use either in any depth whatsoever), the first one seems to create more vivid stereo effects, which is something I really like. However, it also seems to produce a slight chorus/flanging effect - something which I'm not hearing in the second one. So, the second one seems more natural.

Gilles re: Epicverb wrote:

What may be perceived as hiss in demo 1 is in my opinion the tail of a long reverberation containing very high frequencies. I hear it too if I use very long reverberations with my unit.

FWIW one preset where I notice the "hiss" is "L Church 1", and you may well be right. However, it sounds like an artifact to me - it sounds "foreign", and objectionable.  I haven't noticed this in any other reverb plugin to date yet.

Greg.

Last edited by skip (11-02-2009 02:09)

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I've found that the chorusing/flanging effect can be removed by simply turning down "modulation" to zero I was noticing this in both epicVerb and Arts Acoustic.

I think epicVerb will be more than enough reverb for me for the time being.

Greg.

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has anyone mentioned this excellent little fellow at only 79 euros

http://www.studiodevices.com/products.html

it's called Reflections LE

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Another convolution based reverb is Voxengo's Pristine Space.
http://www.voxengo.com/product/pspace/

Just a little heads up re: Reflections LE - AFAIK it does not support *true* stereo convolution (which requires *four* channels of convolution), whereas SIR 2 and Pristine Space do.

Greg.

Last edited by skip (13-02-2009 03:52)

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Gilles wrote:

What may be perceived as hiss in demo 1 is in my opinion the tail of a long reverberation containing very high frequencies. I hear it too if I use very long reverberations with my unit.

I've found "demo 1" at last - sorry about that. Yes, I *do* hear similar hissing sounds in that demo, especially near the end.  It sounds a bit worse when I play the piano though, because the hiss sounds further removed from the piano sound, which is mellower than the percussion sounds in that demo.

Greg.

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here's one not pricey and very good

http://www.acousticas.net/

when you select the verb have you have samples you can hear by using the pointer