cymbalom (Page 1 of 2)

This suggestion has been made before, I think. But there is one problem with instruments like a cymbalom or a harp: With these instruments the strings can be excited anywhere since there are no hammers or plectra at fixed positions, and as mentioned in other threads, the position where the string is being excited is essential for the overtone content. You would have to introduce a controller which gives the position of the next hitting position (relative to string length).

I whish there were such a controller, though...

Great idea: Now here's where the controller data could be coming from. But I just meant the other side - where they go inside Pianoteq...

Yes, something like this. Even Mod Wheel would be ok (to me). Since I record my music with Logic, I would not mind to use a simple controller for recording and adjust it afterwards if needed.
I don't know exactly how Pianoteq works, but I read before that parameters like EQ and the overtone controls are "printed" into the string excitation, so I don't see why this should be too difficult for the excitation position.
Well, I know, it all seems easy to the users, and it would be a step away from pianos. But since there are add-ons that are by no stretch of the imagination pianos (like the bells) - why should't i speak for this "position" parameter?

Uh-oh... In my opinion this would require a completely different model since it's no longer the process excitation - response but a continious interaction of resonating tubes and exciting wind streams... Maybe someone will build a software like this, but it's definitely nothing Pianoteq can be tweaked to do. And think of the different sets of pipes... You would wish to combine them... And theres no "velocity" on organs, but keys can be pressed halfway and the stops can be pulled slowly... Considering these details it would simply be too complex, I think. On the other hand, if you don't use pipe organs this special way, samples should be fine.
No, I think although Pianoteq could be upgraded in some ways, it will stay within the range of this impulse - response scheme.

BTW there is a good Hammond emulation included in Logic called EVB3.

Boy you are so right about that.  I use it every Sunday.  Really great sounding Leslie.  VB3 in a one word description,  "Juicy"

As far as wind driven models, Wallander Instruments is on the top of my list.  Especially the brass.  I use that one live on stage every week as well.

Amen, brother!!! 

When he does string models, I'll be in seventh heaven. 8^D

What a beautiful Xmas present! Thanks Modartt!

Wow. Thanks for this--has a great sound. Makes me want to explore a lot of scala files, too. Those Indian drone scales? Sweet.

Strange, I copied the new Kivir package but the cimbalom do not appear...

Thank you.

Now it's working fine.

Very interesting. I have never played a cimbalom or digital like before.

Thanks to Modartt for this nice christmas gift.

I don't think that would be profitable. Because those addons all use the same internal computational engine. You buy one engine - you run all the addons. That's how it goes.

Wow !  what a great surprice :-)
Looking forward to try it, i just love the sound of the cymbalon.

While talking about instruments ideal for Pianoteq, i just know we will see a Clavinet some day :-)

Thank you Modartt for yet again giving us a lovely free add-on.

It sounds great!

I confess I had to look up on wikipedia to see what a cymbalom was!   And I guess it is cheating a bit to play it with a keyboard. But I don't mind, I'm sure I'll get some lovely sounds out it.

Thank you ;-)
At first, I had some trouble finding the right way to play: you have to play no more than 2 notes at once, and the pedal behaviour is quite different than the one on a piano, but it's a really interesting challenge. Since I didn't had time to find a proper score for cymbalum, I just improvised on this ukrainian tune; I'm glad you like it :-)

Love that bicycle wheel instrument I bet it sounds awful, but fortunately it doesn't seem to have a soundboard so you probably can't hear it.

I'm reminded of two quotes (not exact) from James Lileks' book, "Interior Desecrations":

The "Star Trek" crew chose props which looked so strange that they _had_ to be from the future.

Try to mind-meld with those, and your brains will shoot our your ears.

:-)

Pianoteq team – you rule!!

Thank you so much for yet another great free add-on and a wonderful Xmas gift.  The cymbalom sounds wonderful.  Thank you thank you thank you!

I think if I rendered a piano midi using the cymbalon, most people would think it was a funky piano.

However to really be convincing, it needs more range in the bass (for me at least).

Glenn

No, of course not. I just think that Hammond is already pretty darn well covered with other simulations, with VB3 being close to unsurpassable.

On the other hand, we could use a good/great modelled church organ!

And also clavinet, pianet, RMI electrapiano, etc.

I thought Hauptwerk is all samples?

50 GB for church organ... eh

Well, the models have the same basic parts. Strings/pipes - excited part. Hammers/air - exciter. Soundboard/pipe - amplifying part. Etc.

Uhhnn...   What is the problem with Modart vibes?????

What about?

Ok, I explain...    I's that I watched the movie  The Love Bug (original from 60's), and the music played during good moments of races sounded like a instrument of several whistles for each note.

Does anybody knows what isntruments have musical notes like a whistle?

I found a clip.  See from 00:22 beyond when the "whistle like" sound start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JirRgoja...mp;index=4

I never heard a flute vibrate so much, like a whistle. 

But listening carefully other moments, when this kind of sounds is less intense, now I think it's some kind of flute, as you said.