Topic: New Feature Request

I know this may be asking a lot but if Pianoteq gave me the ability to edit my MIDI data, I would not need a single other thing to complete my recordings!  As it is I have to use SONAR to give me access to a MIDI editor and how great would it be if I could tweak any bloopers directly within the Pianoteq interface!  Just a double click in the MIDI data panel at the top of the screen to open up an editor.  WOW!

I formally request this, PLEASE!!!

Curt

Last edited by curt (01-06-2009 02:00)

Re: New Feature Request

curt wrote:

I know this may be asking a lot but if Pianoteq gave me the ability to edit my MIDI data, I would not need a single other thing to complete my recordings!  As it is I have to use SONAR to give me access to a MIDI editor and how great would it be if I could tweak any bloopers directly within the Pianoteq interface!  Just a double click in the MIDI data panel at the top of the screen to open up an editor.  WOW!

I formally request this, PLEASE!!!

Curt

Well if we need a midi editor, then we also need a wave editor.

I have a midi editor and a wave editor (each cost $49 US), and I load them at the same time as Pianoteq because neither is a resource hog.  While they aren't quite one click away,  Ctrl Tab is close enough.

It doesn't seem cost effective to burden Pianoteq with features that are available so cheaply.

Glenn

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Re: New Feature Request

No.

Pianoteq is for making piano sounds. Not editing your MIDI data. You have free programs to do that. Also, Modartt refused to tackle this request some time ago. It is out of the scope of the software and what it's intended to do.

Hard work and guts!

Re: New Feature Request

I agree; a built in MIDI editor would be overkill for Pianoteq's standalone application.

Glenn NK, which $49 MIDI editor is it that you use out of interest?

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magicaplug wrote:

I agree; a built in MIDI editor would be overkill for Pianoteq's standalone application.

Glenn NK, which $49 MIDI editor is it that you use out of interest?

http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm

Updates come out once a year and cost me about $20 CAD (because I live where the software comes from, and I pick it up).

In case you're interested, my audio editor is:

http://goldwave.com/

I've been using is for about seven years, and haven't had to pay for an update in all that time; which is really quite unusual.  There is also an excellent user forum with Goldwave.

Glenn

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Re: New Feature Request

EvilDragon wrote:

Pianoteq is for making piano sounds. Not editing your MIDI data. You have free programs to do that.

It wasn't the cost issue I was addressing - just the convenience.

EvilDragon wrote:

Modartt refused to tackle this request some time ago.

So I am not alone in my request!

So all of you are saying that you object strongly to this feature.  Would you object so strongly as to not use it at all if it, for the sake of discussion, happened to appear in a future version?

Different companies provide different feature sets with their software pianos.  While Pianoteq allows you to record your performance as a MIDI file, Garritan Steinway does not.  Garritan allows you to record direct to audio which Pianoteq does not.  And Ivory provides neither.  The common thread is that none of them provide a basic MIDI editor.  There is probably a reason for that but maybe it could be turned into a market advantage.  I still say that it would be something that I would dig the HECK out of!

Curt

Re: New Feature Request

Basically, Pianoteq is meant to be used inside a DAW, and you don't have the possibility to record MIDI from Pianoteq's interface there, which is logical - the DAW can do it.

There is really no need for such features even in standalone Pianoteq. MIDI record is fine enough (and I don't even use it, for example). If you want to edit your recorded MIDIs, use other programs, it's as simple as that

I, for one, would rather like more and even better models, a clavinet /pianet model, clavichord, more chromatic percussions, etc., rather than MIDI editing onboard. Modartt doesn't want to develop a midi-DAW inside Pianoteq, as far as I understood their intentions. Even MIDI recording is a boon.

I would like for Pianoteq to become a one-stop solution for all things keys, be it acoustic, electric, electroacoustic, or percussive. They are going well so far. The vibes are amazing. The carillon bells are amazing too. Historic models, although I don't use them, are their own thing. Harpsichords are bloody brilliant. That would be a far better development of the software, instead of implementing something already existing in other programs.

Hard work and guts!

Re: New Feature Request

There are loads of programs out there which can edit MIDI.

There are no programs out there provide an emulated upright piano.

Guess which one i think it would be more useful for Modartt to develop!

Re: New Feature Request

feline1 wrote:

There are loads of programs out there which can edit MIDI.

There are no programs out there provide an emulated upright piano.

Guess which one i think it would be more useful for Modartt to develop!

+1 on that.

I absolutely agree.  Besides, think about what you are asking Modartt to do.  Take their attention away from their specialty, and start doing something they never have done before.  That would be like like Starbucks deciding to start serving hotdogs.  Ok, that might be exaggerating a little bit, but it was a good laugh.  Seriously though, Modartt specializes in modeling technology and I would imagine that they spend all of their time and resources on improving that technology.  I believe they need all the time in developing it as they can possibly get.  Kind of like starting a lawn mower.  You have to pull that rope as fast as you can to get up enough speed so that there are enough reps to get it started.  There are not very many companies that invest into physical modeling because it is so much easier to make a recorded piano sound like a recorded piano than to try to make an emulated piano sound like a recorded piano.  The truth is, the listeners out there want something that sounds good, they don't care how you felt when you played it.  I must say it, from a listening perspective, Ivory sounds good!!  From a playing perspective Pianoteq plays really, really good.

That being said, I think Modartt's place in the music industry is kind of like comparing CD's and LP's.  Early on, LP's just sounded so good.  CD's were so much more practical, but the sound wasn't quite right.  CD's were going to be the way of the future, but there were a number of companies who said, no, we will stick with our LP's because they just sound better.

What this means is that there is a great deal of effort that needs to go into Virtual Modeling in order to get it to the point where it can contain the warmth of the good old sampling methods.  And if they don't put everything they have into it to improve it, then they might as well hang up their hats and hand it over to Roland.

Modartt is in quite a unique position, and I really hope that they maintain their position, get as many reps out of that engine, and really get it going to the point where everyone (even listening critics), will agree that sampling is pointless when this kind of technology exists.  Right now you can't convince listeners that Pianoteq sounds better than Ivory, just as you can't convince players that Ivory plays better than Pianoteq.  Ivory sounds good, and Pianoteq plays good.  What more is there to say?

This can be said,
I cheer for Modartt and their whole hearted progress in achieving that excellent sound.  Laying aside every weight and obstacle and focusing on what really matters to the future of their product called, "Pianoteq".

Re: New Feature Request

I agree also. Pianoteq's development needs to be focussed on its unique qualities - its algorithmic generation of piano and keyboard sounds.

The standalone version is somewhat of a bonus to the plugins in the package anyway. If you want to record and edit MIDI, get a sequencer and run Pianoteq as a hosted module. If you don't have one, find one; I've done a quick google search and found plenty of results. One which looks like it will do the job is:

http://www.multitrackstudio.com

There's a Lite version available on there that looks like it will host Pianoteq as a VST, and provide MIDI editing. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of programs that will do this. If you can find a free MIDI editor but one that doesn't provide hosting, it would also be possible to use something like the MIDI Yoke driver to route midi between your editor and the standalone Pianoteq.

Last edited by MagicalPlug (03-06-2009 00:37)

Re: New Feature Request

I don't think Pianoteq needs to divert their resources away from their current plans.

Do any of the other grand piano sampled software have these Midi editing features? Like others have pointed out: there are dedicated software that could do these things and do them well. I love the lightweight feel of Pianoteq, from its quick load-up time, to its small digital footprint when playing on ones system.

I think Pianoteq should become a master of one trade and not be a 'jack of all, master of none.' Just keep the improvements coming.