Steingraeber E-272 for Pianoteq (Page 1 of 2)

Now we have it, Steingraeber. After listening to demos, downloading trial, I was sitting at this fabulous instrument and said to myself, let’s see what it can do. After 10 minutes I found it enjoyable, a gorgeous instrument. So good. Beyond words. Totally new Ptq sound. But I don’t want to go into details yet. Is it the best Ptq until now? For me, yes, Steingraeber sound. Bright. And then, Bluethner. 
Well, that’s what I think about it.
     And thank you, Niclas, for your demo Capri at dawn. Steingraeber Cinematic is perfect for this. Music in your own personal way. Very nice!

What’s next? The baby Organteq is hopfully a big one soon.

This Rachmaninoff composition (Prelude Op.23) ... I remamber clealyr that was the first ever pianoteq mp3 released, even days before the first beta test from the first pianoteq version.  It's being a long road, the sound today it's way far better then the first mp3 of the first pre beta. Amazing how it sounds incredibly natural now.
No surprise they authorized Modartt to use the brand Steingreber.

Congratulation to Modartt team.

About transducers, uhnn... I supose hybridization, in some degree, it's the future of grand piano manufacture.

Very interesting - always a surprise from Modartt.

The pedals are interesting.  It seems like the "mozart rail" is now a new pedal available, I presume, in all models.

The discount on a second instrument pack is cunning - it's going to be a tough one to resist.  Only the World Cup could distract me enough - wow, what a struck of luck (?).

This is indeed incredible. And the mp3s show it in a wonderful way, from the "intimate" and a little bit dry Mozart KV 311 to Nicolas' Capri at dawn and this perfect sound for such moods (even some bavarian lake at dawn is evoked here for me^^). Do listen to the Mozart example at least until the slow movement starts, too (= at around 4'24). 
I am extremely short of cash right now (the rents in neoliberal Germany's big towns are incredibly high now; and I presume the winners invest their millions in shares instead of learning to play the piano and play with all our beauties), so I can't buy it yet. But the Steingraeber does not run away.

Congratulations - Pianoteq 6 was already a further huge step forward, and this Steingraeber, like the Kremsegg instruments, add a LOT to our instruments. After first minutes of listening bliss I'd say this new Steingraeber sits between the great grands like for example Bluethner Steinway - and the Bechstein Pleyel Erard Frenzel of the Kremsegg editions. It somehow is a bridge between the two piano-generations.

Surely hard work, but what wonderful results, indeed!

Interested by the release of the new piano I did not pay attention to the version of pianoteq,
it seems to me that, at the same time the steingraeber was available pianoteq  passed in version 6.2.0
yes ? no?

Hugh Sung talks about Steingraeber E-272, the real grand piano :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EH06hM8H5U

I miss his videos about pianoteq. He used to say, years ago, that enjoyed a lot pianoteq. I wonder what he would say today, now the sound it's much better.

I just bought the Steingraeber and it's magnificent. Such a great Job Moddart!
I used the offer and snatched the Blüthner on top of it for another 25 Euros.

Like the Germans say: Ihr habt euch selber übertroffen

Thanks for this BEAUTIFUL new piano addition, my absolute new favorite!

I do not have time to seriously try the Steingraeberg, but it seems to me that the version 6.2.0 also benefited the other instruments, for my part I use the Steiway D and it seems to me clearer and more precise, but maybe  is it because I'have changed the velocity curve just before updating the new version

It would be quite a good idea if all music demos had also a option to download the FXP file.

Steingraeber...my new favorite model! The Blüthner has been my go to piano since it was released.  The body & detail of the Steingraeber is amazing!  Very nice work Modartt.

Here it is:
https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/file/8clzh2hk

Enjoy "with moderation"!

That was a fast reply, Philippe!

I tried the custom prelude preset and I must say it's very enjoyable to play and it sounds fantastic!

Also, I've seen in the changelog above that the preset manager window has been made resizeable - a very welcome change. I would like to suggest a further change concerning the various windows - I would like them to persist when closing and reopening the program (or at least to have an option to lock the windows as I set them manually). Because each time I open the preset manager or the microphone window, I have to drag them manually outside the main window and in the case of the preset manager to resize it to fit more presets.
I think that is an easy change that would be appreciated by others as well, please consider it!

And last (but not least), in the dropdown list with the presets, it would be a nice idea to have a section "Favorite presets" - similar to the Recent presets, but it would contain only starred presets (marked as favorites). This favorite section could also be displayed in the preset manager under the All banks tab. I realize that My presets is somewhat similar to this, but that contains all saved custom presets, whereas the favorites would contain only a handful that the user marks and switches between in current use.

Just a few random comments. .... I’m fortunate in that I have a Steingraeber 205. It’s the equivalent in the their line, of a Steinway B. I’m fortunate too because it’s among the best pianos I’ve ever played. In fact, I rarely, maybe once or twice or three times, have found a piano that I think is “better.” Of course it’s all subjective and asking a piano owner about their piano is like asking about someone in the family! Having said all of that:

I haven’t yet tried the Pianoteq Steingraeber but their demo video sounds magnificent—it really captures the nuances of real version of the model they’ve emulated. in a way I don’t think any of their other instruments have come close to. It’ remarkable and amazing.

Does anyone know which keyboard controller they’re using?

Also, there’s a demonstration video in this thread with a Anton L playing on a Steingraeber. That’s actually a Steingraeber-Phoenix and it’s a different (but just as good) beast than a Steingraeber. The “Phoenix” part of the name denotes technology that Steingraeber licensed from Richard Dain at Hurstwood Farm Pianos in the UK. (They’e the leading Steingraeber dealer in the UK and one of the largest in the world, for that matter).

Among the technologies that come with Phoenix is a CARBON FIBRE soundboard. Richard Dain has been researching and making pianos with CF soundboards for a long time. He knows everything there is to know about such things! He’s also invented a way to use bridge agraffes such that the soundboard is much, much more efficient that “normal” soundsboards. Best to visit the Hurstwood Farm website to find out about that stuff because it’s described in detail.

For a while Steingraeber included the Steingraeber-Phoenix line in it’s typical stock, but now, it’s available as an option if requested by a customer. Meanwhile, Richard Dain at Hurstwood Farm Pianos has a line of Phoenix pianos where he’s licensed much of the technology from Steingraeber. So, in essence, a Phoenix piano is a Steingraeber with everything but the name. And when it comes to upright pianos, Steingraebers are utterly magnificient. But the Phoenix upright is in another league entirely. It’s just an amazing instrument.

So, if anyone knows “which” controller keyboard Pianoteq used, I’d be really interested .... Part of that interest is because the action itself on a Steingraeber is so uniquely tuned to the instrument.

Lastly, if you’re in Europe, you’re in luck. Steingraebers cost less than Steinways. If you’re in the US, on the other hand, they cost much more than Steinways! As for my 205 (which is also a Phoenix), the first 205 was first for Franz Liszt and the second one for Richard Wagner. The 205 is sometimes known as the Lizst piano.

If anyone things I’m enthusiastic about all things Steingraeber they would be right. And if it’s possible for anyone to visit Hurstwood Farm Pianos (they’re in Seven Oaks) in Kent, well then you’ll find a piano dealer with stock like no other. They’ll also put carbon fibre and other Phoenix enhancements into any piano. Just a matter of cost, really ... A friend of mine in Sheffield has a commercial studio in which he specialises in piano recordins. The piano he has is a 9’6’’ Bosendorfer with (wood soundboard) but otherwise all other Phoenix technologies re-built into the piano. It’s a wonderful, one of a kind piano.

Congrats to Modart on “their” Steingraeber. From my point of view they’re now in an entirely different league than any other digital piano out there. Perhaps they’ve always been but the Steingraeber, in my opinion, is that special ....

Kawai CA97 have a wooden soundboard and speakers, combined :

Please, may I ask you to do a short video showing how pianoteq last version adn Steingraeber E-272 sounds with this nice system, the soundboard ?

:-)

Here’s my 205 ...

https://youtu.be/rW-Fn96NdUE

Here’s Hurstwood Farm Pianos (Steingraeber dealer)
http://www.hurstwoodfarmpianos.co.uk

They’ve got a lot of fantastic videos there ....

They also collaborate with Steingraeber on the Steingraeber-Phoenix models. ..... I mentioned it before ..... recent Phoenix pianos, including the Steingraeber Phoenix in the demo above (the one with Anton L ... not my 205), have CARBON FIBRE soundboards.

Another happy buyer.
Thank you Moddart for this beautiful new model.

Modartt,

Would it also be possible to post an FXP of the Rachmaninoff portion of the demo?  Sounded soo unbelievable.

Thank you!

Could not find an answer above. I have Pianoteq Pro 6 Studio Bundle--just upgraded to 6.2 and I cannot see Steingraeber under acoustic pianos. I was under impression that Pro Studio Bundle would acquire the new instruments automatically?

In fact, my User Area mentions it as included but the download did not have it perhaps?

Thanks

But that should not be the case with Studio Bundle--it provides all the instruments there are. That is why it is the most expensive option.

Please, read this: https://www.pianoteq.com/pianoteq_pro#studio_bundle that says "In addition to the above, forthcoming instrument packs and upgrades to be released within a year from the date of purchase will be available for free."

Cracking, can see it now! Many thanks!

I'm nowhere near posting the videos of me trying to hack through the Chopin nocturnes on my Roland LX-17, BUT I can attest that I've adjusted back the velocity curve to almost linear with ppp and pp finally responsive and trills coming through as quickly as with the embedded sound. Plus, I had never reported it but I used to hear a high-pitched whining of sorts when played back into LX-17. All of the above now seems resolved!!! My favourite could still be Bluthner but I am getting to grips with the new Steingraeber and yes, it sounds a little on the bright side, which possibly does not match entirely the haunting sound of the left-hand arpeggios in Opus 9 no 1, for example, but the right-hand sounds like birds singing.

This has been a BIG UPGRADE. Many thanks Modartt!

Agree, a bit bright, but perhaps not too bright for performance. But for extended playing sessions, to reduce ear fatigue, if you have not tried this already, brightness is easily reduced using EQU3 (e.g. as a first test, try applying Gain -14, Q= .9 at freq=5.7 kHz, to middle node (i.e. to the non-shelf or peak filter) of EQU3). Then try reducing low freq (<= 150 Hz or so) a bit (say -6.0) using low shelf filter (left hand node of EQU3) to balance out the sound. Can also try the Mozart rail. Outstanding tone character. Another huge contribution to music by Modartt.

Yes, and it's time fo you to revisit your Scriabin !