Request: 432Hz tuning - the magical Concert Pitch

Yes, bring back the "earth tone" to our music!
I use it when ever I can. I read about it in the books of Joachim Ernst Berendt (Das Dritte Ohr/Die Welt ist Klang). Don't know if they are translated into english...

I save all my presets in both versions (440/432).
But I agree that it should be implemented into a fix tuning preset.

Pianoteq can read Scala files and you can use Scala files to set diapson. Here's a good place to start learning about them:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/scl_format.html

and

http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/scala/help.htm#mappings

How did you save your preset to 432?

Hi Henrico!

I don't save a pianoteq-prestet because you know you can't.(only 435) But I work in Steinberg Nuendo and there I've made a song with a PT-preset tuned 435Hz and the rest I tune with a fix Pitchbend Value (I do it by using a VST Chromatic Tuner from WAVES whitch can be set to 432Hz). It's very "unconfortable" so it will be much better with the new option in PT itselfe.
I thank you bringing that up to the PT team!

greetings
heinke

Btw, lol at all those links about chakras and the "fudamental frequency of the universe" lol

I agree, let's ditch the Enlightenment and bring back witch burning! I'm sure we all agree witches burn better at 432Hz

Is Pianoteq going to have a chakra-stabilization API?

But is 432 part of the Fibonacci sequence..?  Surely the golden ratio must considered !

I think we're having a bit of fun.... which is fun.  And I, too, appreciate the Joachim-Ernst Berendt info.  Already found some interesting things about him -his father was a protesting Protestant in Nazi Germany who died in a concentration camp.  Joachim died ironically after being hit by a car while walking to a book signing promoting his latest book on outdoor walking.  BTW, as a guitarist I use multiple tunings, but this is different from changing reference pitch.  Most guitarists who use alternate tunings are simply altering the note value of various strings from the "standard" method while still keeping with the A440 standard pitch reference.  That said, I'd probably alter the reference more if it didn't make overdubs and working with other musicians more problematic.  More power to experimentation, however.

Hi Cellomangler!

Of course I wasn't talking about alternate tunings. I talk about string-players who can change tuning to their mood very easily in contrast to a piano player (real piano not PTQ:)). I played with many string-players who did and with musicians from other cultures (gnawa music etc.) it's getting even more complicated. So should we force them to use "our" "right" reference?

What is reference pitch nowadays? Is it 440,443 Hz or 446 Hz? Some classic orchestras are going to get there. So would you like to hear "Jupiter Symphony" in the "original" Pitch?

Does it make any difference? (that's for feline1) Would you say there is a difference between deep red and purple? Although deep red has the same proportion to blue than purple to "whatever" (calculate: f x 2n)   (432 Hz x 2 to the power of 40 = 475 Billionen Hz = yelloworange.).
Tonspektrum = ca. 20 bis 20.000 Hertz
colorspektrum = ca. 380 bis 789  THz

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licht

So if there is a difference between red and purple than there must be one between 432 and 440 and so on. This opens a universe of possibilities. So does the standard  440Hz open or close? On the one hand it makes it easy for us to communicate with many other musicians who use the same tuning (first of all for pianists) but on the other hand it reduces the "color".

After all that theory there is one reference: Your ears! My ears! feline1's ears....let's make some music!

Heinke

Hey Azrael, you're right, but we let ourselves be lead by 'standardized values' all the time... sure a 432 Hz reference might be nice to play sometimes (I guess... never heard it), but it will be hard to get other people to play in that same reference - or the other way around if you just join up for a jam session with a piano set to 432 Hz you'll have problems in a general situation...

Would be the same as deciding that the alfabet as we know it, would be nicer if we had letters inbetween the a and the b ... might be great - who knows how many variations we could come up with... but would it be practical???

The colours are also standardized when we want to print them... like the screen you're watching with a certain amount of colors....
Human kind has 'standardized' stuff throughout the ages... chakra and all may be great... but a whole lot of things are standardized, no one has to agree or has to go along on an individual basis, but as a whole you'd be pretty much alone when you did all that...

anyway ... everyone his own! and just have fun doing it... whatever it is...

absolutely true Doug - if you like something.. go for it..
about guitars - my main instrument is guitar and sure - you bend notes to whatever sounds good, but there's only so much that you can do... if you need to bend each note to get it to the same pitch as an other instrument then there is a structural problem and it would be better to retune all strings... that could use 432 as reference - why not ...
who knows - maybe everyone switches... you never know what the universe is in for

Did you know it is illegal to play an instrument out of pitch in France...?
According to Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(music)
"The most vocal opponents of the upward tendency in pitch were singers, who complained that it was putting a strain on their voices. Largely due to their protests, the French government passed a law on February 16, 1859 which set the A above middle C at 435 Hz."
So I wonder if they fine tuned ya with le guillotine ?
(Actually... I think I'll make it a law in the jazz club I'm building that ya gotta be tuned to something....
...except on Bent Circuit Night or Cardboard Percussion Night.

And remember "tuning" in "Dark City" ?  (Great flick!)

lol You are just making me laugh here, sorry

"Frequency" is just the rate that something happens at.
Yes, different colours of light correspond to different frequencies of electromagnetic radiation (an oscillating electric/magnetic field).(Well, actually it is more complicated than that - out retinas have chromophore pigments which are most sensitive to "yellow" and "blue", and what our brains perceive as "colour" is due to it assessing the relative yellow/blueness of the retinal stimulus...)
But anyways, sound is not electromagnetic radiation, it is a mechanical vibration transmitted through the air (pressure wave).
You can measure the frequency of anything - the frequency of your heartbeat, the frequency of how often you go to the toilet...
Yes there is a "difference" between red and blue, between the notes A and B, between going to the toilet once a day and going to the toilet twice a day... that doesn't mean going to the toilet is the same as singing at a lower pitch - they are completely different things!

We could take another measurable quantity, length (height).
Mount Everest is a different height to the Matterhorn mountain, yes.  And WA Mozart was a different height to Pytor Tchaikovsky.  Does this mean the Mozart 'Requiem' should be performed by smaller musicians than the 'Pathetique' Symphony? Does it mean Tchaikovsky was really a mountain, because mountains also have height? Is the length of my nose mystically related to the distance between the Great Pyramid of Gizeh and the Sun?  Yes, I think I could be onto something here...

Perhaps Pianoteq could include a setting to take account of the height of the pianist and the length of their fingers.

You are right! I'm off....

only the world knows all the facts in the world

our mission (if we choose to accept it) is to take an eensy weensy tiny subset of those facts and mold them into something we believe to be wisdom

I think

Henrico: Could you post two mp3's in the Files section here to show us what you mean? I hate to sound lazy, but I may be a little lazy--I'd much rather be convinced by hearing your examples than by creating the new tuning, etc.

Thanks if you can. Looking forward to hearing what you're hearing.

here hang on a minute -
432Hz isn't even as much as a semitone flatter than A440!

Dude, I play with guitarists and analogue synths and rickety old uprights with drooped tuning all the time, we're often not a concert pitch, I've yet to listen back to a rehearsal tape and find it resonating my chakras though.
Now behave or I may vent my spleen meridian in your direction........

I like options! They let me choose-and the "save" 440 Hz is just one mousclick away!

Pitch bend is global, I believe. But Pianoteq also supports polyphonic aftertouch, which might work for you. (Sounds like a lot of work, though.)