Topic: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

This is as close as I could get to a Hamburg Steinway B sound using S. Errard as the base.

The velocity curve is highly tailored to my Alesis QS8 board with "KBD SCALING: 00" in the board for maximum range.  My board only has velocity range around 20-115.  This is the first thing you'll need to change to fit your board's velocity range.

Enjoy.

Demo song:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0B-ish.mp3

FXP:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0B-ish.fxp

Midi file:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...t%20It.mid

-- Abi

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

Hey Abi

I have to try it later on on my own keyboard (CME UF80), but your mp3 and midi file sound pretty promising to say the least!
thx for sharing!

Hans

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

abiharbani wrote:

This is as close as I could get to a Hamburg Steinway B sound using S. Errard as the base.

The velocity curve is highly tailored to my Alesis QS8 board with "KBD SCALING: 00" in the board for maximum range.  My board only has velocity range around 20-115.  This is the first thing you'll need to change to fit your board's velocity range.

Enjoy.

Demo song:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0B-ish.mp3

FXP:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0B-ish.fxp

Midi file:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...t%20It.mid

-- Abi

Very interesting work.
    May I sugest to add another mp3 file, from a sampled Steinway-B, to compare both?

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

I have a idea.

   What about make two FXP for this midi, one for the bass and other for the trebble?
   You could try your best "shot" for bass, and the best "shot" (changing the sliders) for trebble, and combine (render) the bass notes in one, and the trebble notes in the other.

    This could make the sound of the midi performance closer to a Steinway-B.

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

Nice sound. The treble is sweet, and up close.

And you chose one of the hardest instruments to emulate. Makes me want to be able to get inside Pianoteq and be able to program each of the frequencies of each of the notes.

I do agree that a keyboard split would let you soften the bass some. (Is the timbre more crisp than that of most Steinway B's? Crisper than the two I've played years ago, but my memory may be wrong.)

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I like the idea of a split, it'll make it easier to soften the bass, but it'll create another problem: we'll loose the sympathetic resonance spanning the two splits.

If we can create a midi filter in cantabile or some other vst host to send the notes over to the other split sections as 0 velocity note on, it'll overcome this.  Is this possible?

I'll create another mp3 of the same song using sampled Hamburg B later tonight.

-- Abi

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

As best I understand, PianoTeq will still play the sympathetic resonances, even though the notes are limited by the split. Or have you already tried it, with bad results?

In addition, the way the splits Cantabile are organized, all of the sounds of each split are passed through to the output. For the second split on each rack in Cantabile, however, you may need to turn on the Midi Passthrough button, which is just to the left of the DRY\WET\PAN sliders, with the icon of a midi connector and a down arrow.

By the way, I'm using Cantabile because I ran across it before knowing about the other vsti hosts, and because it's free\inexpensive, and because the developer seems responsive, and has interesting ideas. Other hosts may have other features. (But one that makes me want to get Cantabile Pro is it's randomization feature--you can set it up so it randomizes selected parameters of the VSTI with minimum and maximum percentages of change. May help as a way of experimenting to get a wide variety of piano sounds. I've been hesitating to buy it only because I don't want to spend time setting up a new program right now.)

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Yes, I couldn't get sympathetic resonance to sound if the silent pressed key is in a different split section as the sounding key.  For example, if I had split on middle C, and I press a chord silently on my left hand lower to middle C and play some notes on my right hand that are above middle C, I get no sympathetic resonance sound.

By the way, I uploaded a comparison mp3 recorded using sampled Hamburg Steinway B (ArtVista Virtual Grand Piano): http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0Piano.mp3

I realize that my fxp has too much hammer noise and the bass isn't soft enough after A-Bing it with VGP.

-- Abi

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

Something that won't work, but that may lead us to a solution: since you're only wanting one split, with bass and treble on each side, you might try just loading another instance of PianoTeq into another Rack and PlugIn in Cantabile. (No need for another split--this would just lie beneath the splits.) You could then insert a velocity curve for it at the PlugIn level and have it just set so low that it doesn't make a sound. (Tools\Midi Filters\Add\Velocity Curve.

But then the low velocity setting would kill the sympathetic resonance, too, yes? So instead of a velocity envelope, what could be used? I can't seem to find a way to force the note not to respond to just Note on, but still respond to everything else. Still looking.

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

Hi,

You should compare with a good sampled Piano (Steinway B of Olivier Truan)

http://www.otheo.fr/NiceWorkIfYouCanGet...appier.mp3


i use an unofficial reproammed Kontakt 2 version of this Steinway B
with a Overtones script that is more real than the overtones rules of Pianoteq.

Best,

Olivier

Re: Uploaded Hamburg B sound

Good work

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Olivier, thanks for posting the rendition with your scripted version of EW Steinway B.  I have EW Steinway B myself that I used with gigastudio.  Your scripted version definitely sounds better than the original.  I hear some level mismatch between layers in a few keys though, but sounds good overall.

EW Steinway B sounds glorious, but its use is very specific...  I can't pinpoint what the problem is though, it just doesn't bring smile when I play it.  Maybe adding scripting will change things, but I don't own Kontakt.

I also have Warren Trachtman Steinway C (both versions).  I used to like the original version very much, but it gets boring because lack of resonance.  The dynamic range is pretty good though, I think that's what I like about this sample.  The second version has sustain samples, but lacks dynamic range.

I have several other samples too that got good reviews, but their uses are too specific.  I guess in the end, you'll need several color pallets to make art.

-- Abi